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Maarten Horst Interviews James Gilliliand~ Et First Contact Radio

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Welcome to ET First Contact Radio..I'm your host, Maarten Horst.

Tonight, I have a very special guest which I have been following for a few years now. His name is, James Gilliland.
And James is the founder of the ECETI RANCH, where UFO supporters of the whole world gather together and
where literature being brought to the public and, ahm, he's a scholar and, um, a seer and he has a, made some
videos. One of which is, ah, "CONTACT HAS BEGUN".

M: Welcome to the show, James.

J: Hello..Thanks for having me on the show.

M: Yes, it's just wonderful that you're doing and um, I've been seeing your radio program, also on BBS radio, which you air every week. And um, I've been listening to your show as well. And it has been in effect, issue for me to start my
own radio show, so thank you for that.

J: Oh, great! You know, I think the more shows, the better and I really, proudly support and advocate anybody to get out there with a voice and bring out the information.

M: Yes, indeed. ah, what I did last year was interviewing people like, Sheldan Nidle. ah, People with the big name, ah, and ah, the last time I tried to mix my show with the people who have a big name, like yourself and people who have
ET contact with, where, I'm not so much in the foreground, so, I try to get the stories out from the people that are low
profile, you know?

J: um hmmm...Yeah, that's really good to do because I do, i do the same thing. I try to support people. Yeah, especially
women in getting out, you know, and having a voice because, you know, their voice has been suppressed for so long.
So, there's a lot of women in the UFO field that, you know, are, you know, are just not, you know, getting, you know, the
pulpit or whatever to bring out their message as well. And you know it is. Especially when your dealing with the more
spiritually and technologically advanced Beings, they're, they're much more loving, much more benevolent and you have
to be a lot more sensitive to actually contact them and work with them.

M: Yes, I agree with you and ah, I have some interesting women indeed on the show. A woman from Italy, her name is, Alexandra Feda and Marsaidus Keirko (sp). And some others and, its really inspiring to indeed be sensitive to what
people are saying because it's often about energies, and um, my idea about um, contact being possible on a large scale as a human collective should be on a certain level that is acceptable for the benevolent ET's.

J: Umm, yeah, it's very important, I think, right now, the message we're getting from, you know, from the untra dimensional BEings is, ther're saying, it's really imperative right now that people, ah, you know, make their own personal connection
with Source, you know, whatever you want to call it, God, Creator, Spirit, everybody has a different name for it ah, but at the same time, just establish their own inner guidance and to release the past, ah, the past is really holding us back
from a, you know, increasing our frequencies and our vibrations so we can rise to the occasion and make contact with them, you know, highly advanced BEings.

M: Yes, yes indeed, James. I, I, I agree with you. ah, I would like to ask you a question. What is your thought about disclosure? Because at some point, eh, the presence of ET;s has to be made public, but, my idea is that the ET's will do
it themselves and I have not really the ideal that any president or any political leader, because politics are very divided, is able to announce their presence. So, I think they will do it theirselves. But, what is your idea about it?

J: I have to say, my idea basically, is, I think disclosure's gonna come from the ships. It's happening on a regular basis.
It's increasing exponentially. ah, You know the people move the politicians. When enough people say, "Hey, come on.
Knock it off. We know. We know what's going on."
They did a time scene info back in the 90's where, I think it was 86% of the people said that they DO believe in UFO's.
And there was a cover up. So, when you're looking at numbers like 86%, we have to ask ourselves, "Who are the
politicians and who do they serve by continuing, you know, in this cover up and ah, you know anybody in the know,
in any high position that, that's not been held out of the loop is very aware that we've been having contact since the
beginning of man. You know, ET's have been coming and going on the planet and, ah, you know that the sightings are
increasing exponentially. And they're having fleets flying over whole cities. Seems to be on a regular basis now.

M: Yes, absolutely, James. And I just heard a message from a news website in England. They also did a research. A
kinda poll on the public, and it seems that, um, more people in England believe in UFO's than that they believe in God.

J: (laughs) Yeah, same thing.

M: Yeah, same thing. So,

J: You know, if God's omnipresence,... if God is omnipresence, they are a part of that unified field, you know, they're just
holding off a little bit more of it than we are. And a little more awake, you might say. But, you know, it's all ONE. And we're
all in this huge consciousness or whatever. This, ah, unified field together and these BEomgs are just a little further along
and have more access to more of that field.

M: Truly so. Truly so. Ah, James, ahmm, With the Mayan calender ending on December 21st, I always have had a feeling
the last couple of years, ah, that, with the Ascension date of, ok, you know, the alignment with the Galactic central sun on
20th of December, I have this feeling that disclosure has to happen before December 21st. But, that's just a feeling. But,
What's your idea about it?

J: You know, it's tricky. ah, To me, disclosure is already happened. It's happening everywhere for anybody who really wants
to look into the matter. And actually have their own spirit's. We've had thousands of people come up to the ranch, ah, you
know, and we've had triple (?) engineers. Air Force commanders and air traffic controllers. All of these people coming to the
ranch and testifying the ships are here. And they're there. And, you know, it's gone out over Coast to Coast a few times,
you know, with their fifteen or twenty man listeners. And ah, Fox News has come out. Danny Dyer over there in England did a special here. Robbie Williams, you know, is the UK pop star over there, has been here. So, there's been a lot of disclosure happening already. But, there's always those just with a closed mind that are, you know, that just might be into science ism. Or some other religion or whatever that just won't allow them, you know, to, to look up and see the obvious.
Or, or open their mind and their hearts to what's, you know, been going on for a long time.
There's always gotta be that element. So, it's been tough, you know, when you talk about disclosure, ah, there's always those that'll never accept disclosure. And I think too, if we're waiting for the government to disclose, what they're going to
disclose is another story. Because it's gonna be disclosed to fit their agenda.

M: Yeah, I agree. Yeah, in fact, I'm waiting for somehow, cause I understood from Frey's (?) sources, that the benevolent ET's have the technology to break into our television channels and radio stations that are airing on FM frequency and are
able to locate to it and broadcast their own message and say, "Hello, we are here. We Love You. We come from different star systems and we are here to help."

J: Yeah, I think the only reason they, they did that once, I guess, over in England, you know, in the past and ah, created quiet an uproar. But, ah, I know the benevolent ones don't want to push their reality or their truth on anybody. They're in
full service mode. And they don't want to trespass on free will and when enough people put out the intention saying, "Hey, we want to join the rest of the universe in peace. We want to reunite with the star nations or the greater family of man."
That's when you're gonna see things happening. And that's what's up to us here. The ground crew is to keep that, that message out and let people know that's a poten, that's a possibility if enough of us set the intent and opened up to some real Divine intervention here, cause we're going to be needing it.

M: Oh yes. We're going to be needing it so much. Yes, um, and then, ah, there is the event that at some point there will be first contact. You know, the landings. ah, But, I always had the idea that disclosure needs to proceed first contact mission because when the landings occur, we'll really make contact and they will really be here on mass.How do you see that happen, James?

J: I think one of the main problems is, that, ah, for the landings to occur, we have to rise to the occasion and we have to greet them in peace. And right now, the way we greet most of the ET's is with aggression. And we send our best hardware up there. We have, and always go after them. And, you know, try to shoot them down. And package their technology for war industry, you know, program. Things like that and as long as there is a lot of people out there with that mind set, and there are the guys running the show, ah that, that program has to come to an end for any mass landing or anything. You know, they don't want to deal with people that want to worship them or want to grab their gun or things of that nature. That's just not, that's not part of their agenda or anything. They're, again, they're extremely advanced BEings. They're in full service mode. You know, they see the Creator and all creation, and us as part of creation that needs some help right now. Because to get through some severe challenges. So, that's the main...that's the basic mindset within the majority of them. So, ah, yeah, I just don't see until we have a full stand down and ah, and something's set into place where we're not gonna be, they're not gonna be interfered with or met with aggression or, or anything, you know, ummm. I don't see that happening. I just see them continuously contacting people. Working with people, you know, using their advanced technology to, to take people up to the ships now
and then and working with people that have risen to the occasion that have set the intent for this and on a soul recognition. There's a lot of people that are more ET in their soul and then they're from earth and those people are being contacted as well.

M: yeah, truly so. In 2007 or 2008, I think, I purchased your DVD via the internet, via ECETI.org, "CONTACT HAS BEGUN", and I've watched it and I have shown it to other friends. And when, it's really interesting what you say there because, I think, I remember that you have had encounters with Pleiadians.

J: Yes, that, that's pretty (?) actually. I was just talking with one this morning, um, telepathically, and ah, you know, she was giving some information with the BEings coming up. But, ah, you know, that's, that's pretty much on a regular basis. Contact. There's Pleiadians. There's the Orion Council of Light, ah, the Andromedians. And a
lot of spiritual pastors too are all tied into this in working together, so, that, that kind of communication is ongoing.

M: Yeah, that's beautiful, yeah. You really, you're really a blessed person James, ah, ah, ummm, for the work that you are doing. Your radio show and other things. The documentaries that you make and your blogs. And of course, the people that you welcome on the ECETI RANCH. Now, would you maybe tell the listeners about ECETI RANCH and what's going on there?

J: Yes, um, you know, although, you know, this is a blessing to have this connection, you know, and and, even the near death experience that opened it up for me was a major blessing. But, at the same time, it, it can also be a curse. So, you know, a lot of people think we just hang out and meditate and talk to high BEings and run around all blissed out. It's a ranch, but, you know, it's work. It's a working ranch. There's a lot of work there. There's a lot of challenges there. Ah, recently, I just had a court case dismissed where, you know, they would've loved to throw me in jail for a
year just for ah, basic nonsense. Where like code com pliancy, where they're trying to shut the ranch down. And, they never had an agenda to work with us. And, ah, ah, you know, we, we paid for everything. Paid for all the permits, paid for our, even the fines, everything. Said, "Okay, let's go forward with this. What do you need? What do we need? And there was never an agenda at all to work with it. It was, it was always an agenda to shut us down. And it got to the point where, where we had to go to court. Find time, and ah, and, you know, two or three judges got dis missed. And we went through a couple prosecuting attorneys. And, and ah, It was quite a challenge. So, that, that's all fine and been dismissed and that's behind us. And we're going forward again. But, you know, I just wanna let people know that, ah, you know, if you make
contact and you connect with these BEings, that doesn't mean that your life's going to be rosy and perfect from then on out. It actually gets more challenging.

M: I didn't know that James. But, ah, I can tell you, I've been in prison because I put the main stream media under pressure to do disclosure and ah, they didn't thank me for that. So, I see, I see what you mean. The powers that be, or are, or were, you know, they are not happy with us and what we do. So, I didn't know this stuff was coming on at the ranch. But, I'm happy to behind you now.

J: Oh yeah, yeah. It's a big, ah, breath of fresh air right now because aye, ah, with that behind us, we can put more energy forward and basically that's what a lot of thee things are. Just distract and divert your energy in a different direction, but ah,

M: Yes, James.

J: But, anyway, I, I feel really good. The powers that were, eh, are on their way out. There's so much energy coming into the planet now. There's so many different BEings visiting in this process, you know, from the extreme conscious grid. The energy grid, that you know, with the alignment with Galactic Flame and all these other things. It's pretty undeniable now and anybody that's paying any attention at all realizes that, you know, big changes are coming now, and journey is coming to a close.

M: Yes, indeed Pete, ahmm, It's feeling like the last run before the deadline is going to be tough for all of us. But, once we are there, we can only sigh from relief.

J: ummmm..Did you notice this last weekend? Ah, a large energy shift happened and,
you know, we were told. I was meditating and Papa G came in and said, you know,
"Hold you an event and you know, and a big gathering earth healing and reunion
gathering to, you know, reunion with the Galactic Family. So, so we did. We held
this last weekend. And the energy that came in was so intense and, and, there's a,
we, the ranch is on a portal. It's like an acupuncture point that affects the whole planet. So there was, somuch golden light and bliss energy coming at. It was just overwhelming and we're still recovering from it. Because there was just that much energy, energy coming in, but, Are you there?

M: I was meditating on the, yes, I'm here. I was meditating on Sunday, yes, on the 21st, you mean.

J: Yeah, and then I was realizing that there as about four, five other major global healing events going on at the same time. So, if, you know, people that are tapping in are just getting the times, you know, when to do this, when to do that. And unifying and coming together. So, I think the more we do that, the more we can totally steer the planet, you know, on the upward spiral of evolution.

M: Yes indeed, James. I felt very strong energies coming in on Sunday. But, in fact, I still feel them. And sometimes, it's a bit uncomfortable to deal with those energies because I feel they're still coming even today, this afternoon. I felt some pretty intense energies.

J: Yeah, we're also, it's a combination of things. One, you know, sometimes there's planetary alignment you know, along with a full moon. And then we have a massive solar flare or something at the same time. And, you combine all that energy together coming into the planet, and it, you know, it creates intense changes. It affects the biometric fields around the human body. People get lethargic, tired, and, sometimes there's an emotional outburts, you know. They get, they get irritated on the gigh peak when energy comes in. So, so there's so many different things going on that are lifting us out of this old program that it's hard to pick down anyone thing. But, it seems like it's all working together. That orchestrated, ah, event, you know, that, that's exponentially growing as we speak.

M: Yes, yes. I agree. And, ummm, ah, this energy increase is going to continue, ah, I think after, even after, ummm, December 21st. Because, I think when we enter the Galactic plane, there's still, umm umm, 5th dimensional energy that is going to change the surface world for humanity.

J: Yeah, definitely, ah, you know, it's, it's, there's the sun is putting off different elements right now. And, it's also, ah, it's also doing, aye, ah, it's changing, you know, carbon, the carbon element here, you know. Sorry, ah, and I forgot, I think we're going to, was it carbon 12? I can't remember what we're shifting to. I, I..

M: Twelve strands of DNA in a crystalline body.

J: Yeah, all those things are happening right now. So, so, ah, we're definitely going through some massive changes and we're getting a lot of help from on high. But, again, we have to initiate that help and attune to it. And basically start behaving ourselves and start being kind to each other, as a planet.

M: Yes, yes. I think that forgiveness is a great good and to look your neighbor in the eye and say, "Hello there. I'm another you. And we have just come from the Source. All of us." And, I try to do that. But sometimes, it's difficult, ummm, ummm. I try to be in a calm mode and, um, not to go into discussion with somebody. Whether I'm right or he's right, it doesn't matter. I try to be loving and, um, as I say, is not always easy. But it is the only thing we can do to allow this love pouring in on the planet. And so, let's be, can be ready for Ascension and contact.

J: Yeah. We had part of the event this weekend. Was a forgiveness ceremony, where people could actually really tune in and release the past and we really cleared up, you know, a lot of things personally at, with the ranch and also at a a higher level as well. But, ah, it, forgiveness is so important, you know. There's different levels of forgiveness, that, ah, one, one, if you start mastering judgement, there's not a lot to forgive, you know, if you just stay out of judgement, is one thing. And nobody knows what another soul needs for completion in their life and they might already be, you know, total masters. But they just have one issue to work out or something and they might, you know, they might seem like a real dunce while they're working out that one issue. So, it is important to realize that we can't really judge in a lot of the situations. There are times where we need to set boundaries and say, you know,
"This doesn't work for me." If people are trespassing on you and your space or whatever. But,

M: Oh yes, and it's difficult to do that for many people to set boundaries. Yeah, to say, "Okay, this isn't working for me. Or until I hear no further, um, you know. For me, that's always been difficult, but I think for many people.

J: I'm learning lessons. I'm still learning that lesson. Because, they, ah, you know, I've..You know people tell me that and you think, "I don't know what's wrong with you. You people have 12 strikes before they're out, you know. They said I would have thrown them out a long time ago. Things like that, you know. And I go, well, I don't want to give up on somebody. I wanna, you know, it's not really affecting me even though the energy's directed at me or things like that, I says, but, I, even though they are throwing all kinds of darts or whatever at me, it's just like, I understand. You know, I've walked in their shoes. I understand their pain. I know they're in their pain body and ah, so, I don't wanna give up. But, you know what, after awhile, it comes a time where you say, "Okay, ah, enough. This is disrupting everything. It's disrupting the energy everywhere. This isn't good for you, it's not good for me. It's not good for the cause and were we're trying to go here." And then, you do have to set a boundary or remove yourself from the situations. And, ah, I think, I think there's a lot of self authority issues that we're all having to deal with . And in the days to come, especially when we have people that, you know, have a sense of entitlement. Or, they have a, you know, they like, they believe the world owes them something. Or, they want to trespass on everybody else to ah, have their needs met. And a lot of those needs are just trying to fill voids from childhood issues. But, they never, they never got when they were children. So, it's tough, you know. It's a tricky time right now to really just become the observer and go within and look at, you know, what you came from, is, you know, where you're coming from. What's your intention and take it back to that, saying, Is this in LOVE? Is this in service? Is this the highest interest for everyone? And, get real clear with yourself. And, be brutally because your ego will always trick you and try to keep you in a victim mode or, or you need to win. Or you need to be right or whatever. But, that's one of the biggest challenges, I think, the whole planet is going through right now.

M: Yes, I see that all around me and I am struggling myself with this, you know and,

J: (garbled)

M: Sorry James...

J: I forgive you. I was just laughing, but ah,

M: (Laughing) Well then, about the ranch, you know, I see what you're doing and um, I recognize in you, a sensitive BEing, like myself. And um, I'm just amazed and in awe at what you do because about, we just spoke about it, it is not easy to do those things. So, I think,

J: Yeah, it actually...

M: To give..to complement..it really go..

J: What I find out is, it is really easy if you could just train yourself to get out of the way and, and, what I do is, I tell people when they come to the conference and everything, I just tell them right up front, I'm not your guru, you know, I have no authority in your lives. And ah, you know, I'm not going to live up to your expectations and everything else and I said, I'm nobody, you know. But, I do have some things to share with you so you can find your own nobody. And when you become empty and become nobody, there's nobody to defend. And, there's nothing to measure up to. And, you get out of the way and you just let Spirit come through and you'd be surprised at what happens. And that the truth is after it happens, some say, "I did that!" you know. Your ego jumps in and goes, "I did that!", you know. Look how wise I am, you know. Look how powerful I am and ah,

M: (laughing)..Yeah, I see what you mean, yeah..

J: Yeahm And that's a real kicker, you know. We really, you know, we could drop the alter ego on one level and then put it up a notch into a spiritual ego and we have to drop that one as well, you know, to really get in that space.

M: Yes

J: Where we're totally (?) flowing.

M: I have seen that people with a spiritual ego, or a spirit ego in general, is effect, a larger problem than a normal ego. Because ah, when you see sometimes on websites ah, on the internet that deal with Galactic news and disclosure and first contact and angel readings etc..But, sometimes you see that there is jealousy or somehow they try to, em, beat each other. When I think, when I see there, It's not about competition. Let's all work together and bring the news out and, you know, that, that's sometimes discouraging for me, to see happen.

J: Yeah. I have to deal with that on a regular basis and, and I'm actually dealing with it now with certain events. But, you know, there comes a time when you come out with outlandish claims and things like that. And, you give dates and times and tell people events are gonna happen. You know, when they don't happen, then, you gotta be brutally honest with yourself and say, "Well, wait a second, "Where did that information come from? Was, was that my own desires? You know, my own alter ego or something? Was that from the astral level, a low level contact, or whatever?". Or, might be coming from a low level ET as well. So, you know, we have to be brutally honest with ourselves, and, and, and when we do make a mistake, just say, "Hey, I, this is what I was feeling, or what I was giving..I, I shared it with the best of my ability. But, you know, obviously, it wan an error and and, I need to back up on and re-evaluate my connection and and, my...Yeah, go ahead...

M: Yeah, that's a strong point. When you make a mistake and to admit it to the public, then that's a sign of strength, I think. That's a sign of strength when you can do that, yeah.

J: Exactly and I think that's so important right now because it is the field, especially, UFOlogy. You, you.. It's filled with disinformation people. They like to create chaos you know, in the field and get people fighting with each other and especially the guys that come in and go, "I have inside information that this is going to happen." And then, they just set up, you know, by the insiders and they fall for it every time. Because, they want to be famous. They want to have that, that news flash, you know, that's gonna put them on top and and, they get set up all the time. And so, you gotta get away from that need to be famous or need for acceptance and approval outside of yourself. Have no attachment whatsoever when these messages come in and double and triple check them. And, if you have a really good connection with a really high BEing, you know, run it by them every time and say, "Hey, what is this? What does this feel like to you?" You know, and ah, trust in that.

M: Yes indeed, James. I see what you mean. And, it's like I also challenge that. Ah, it's dangerous to give dates for events to happen. Um, and when they don't happen, although, these people are disappointed. But, you were speaking about, um, people that want to be famous and ah, you, of course are famous. I have you on my radio show. But, we are not doing it to be famous. I'm doing this show and the sole purpose for the show is to bring out the news and to help the public to be informed and to be conscious of what's going on. And therefore, I, yes, yes, that's what we are doing. It's not about me. And, I'm just the messenger. I'm just conveyer of information. And, so are you, so ah, What I think...

J: It's really important that you keep that focus. To keep that intent you know, and forgive yourself if you make a mistake now and then. You know, it's no big deal. But ah, always go back to that center. Look, I'm here for service. I'm doing all I can to, you know, help people get through these changes and ah, you know, that's, that's my main focus and just, you know, be careful of, of, you know, gifts, you know, sometimes cause you know a lot of times, gifts and, and, even big donations. Things like that are not all what they're cracked up to be. And ah, you know, even the movie, CONTACT HAS BEGUN, I turned down two or three offers and had some really big checks, you know, in the hundreds of thousands just to do that movie. And, but, they wanted to alter it and butcher it. And I had no, no ah, rights, you know. They were gonna just do whatever they wanted to and make it a sinful, you know, crazy, warring, you know, thing. And that's not what it's about. So, you know, I finally went with these other guys and I was never paid anything for the movie. Ah, but, the message was much more important. So, I went with the right people to get the movie done and get it out there and ah, and to me, that was much more important than the fame and the big checks and all the other things that, that would of, could of come with it.

M: Very well done, James. Because I've watched the DVD several times and ah, I think your honesty and your, um..I'm looking for the right words..nobility. Ah, ah, is showing, ah, is touching people because it's a personal story. And then you build up a story and you make it commercial, you know, mainly provide the audience. But then, the essence of the message is gone.

J: You know we try to just get a very clear message out. And to give people some hope that there is help. And let them know, you know, there are changes. Social, economic and physical earth changes coming up. But, it's the renewal thing and the earth has to do it to renew herself. So she can continue to be the platform for life. And, you  know supporting us. But, you know, it's as long as we continue in an unsustainable, ah, economy and consciousness, and continue doing what we've been doing to the planet, especially the water, the air, ah, you know, then something has to happen. Because, you know, basically, it doesn't matter, you know, if you've got your Porsche, you've got your big house, and you've got everything else. It's, if a, you know, the planet, if the environment collapses, you know, it's game over. You can't eat your castle. You know, you can't eat your car and all your outer appearances don't matter. You're just back to, you know, you're back to basics. And and, I think, when you get back to basics and you simplify your life is when people are the most happy.

M: Yes, James. Do you see there will be a kind of point in the future where mother earth says, "Okay, it's enough people. You have abused me enough."? Like a turning point. Or like maybe the ET's can do something by Divine decree. Maybe to interfere or anything. Is, will ther come a point where change WILL happen, Emm, if we can't do it ourselves?

J: I think, I think we're gonna be seeing that over the next couple months, you know, basically. I, I think, coming in the Galactic plane, you know, as you're saying December 21st is the peak. But, on both sides of that peak, you're gonna have a lot of changes happening. Ah, I don't know how much Divine intervention we're gonna aget. I don't know how much we've actually earned, to be honest with you, considering the fact, that we're still, ah, operating, "business as usual". And, we've had all the technologies, basically, to clean up our water and our air. And and, we have Helios (?) technology and, and anti gravity, counter gravity. All of these technologies are here on the planet right now. But the people are gonna have to rise up and demand it. And ah, stop, you know, voting according to their paychecks, or, (?). We've got to get rid of this one party system we have now. And ah, you know, a few corporate puppets acting, you know, giving us the illusion that we have a choice. Ah, you know. It's gotta go back to the people. The people need to educate themselves as to what's going on. And, I think people are good in their souls, that almost everybody, if they had a choice, or an option, would choose the one that, that's best for themselves, their families, their greater family and the planet. You know, we have to really bring those options up and let people know they do have a choice and that there's other ways of doing things.

M: Of course. I feel a dilemma going on. I see that corporate greed is dictating us, how to live and what to buy. Eh, And what energy to use. But, I would like to see that change IS possible. Ah, Is it, is it necessary to, um ah, let the politicians and the world leaders realize this? Or, is there another around to get this change done?

J: You know, I, I, to me, it's like, I, I feel like just withdrawing your energy out of those archaic systems. This draconian program we have going on. Ah, People need to wake up and just withdraw. I mean, I don't know how dark it needs to get before people figure it out, you know, before you're having to, you know, smash the head of your neighbor and your own family. Or turn them in or whatever. It's got to that point almost. But, I, you know, I don't know how far it has to go where people just, there's a global uprising and that, and, we're seeing that! In, in all these other countries right now, we're seeing major global uprising and people are being tired of being enslaved through dependency. They're tired of the manufactured lack that they're having to deal with now. And ah, you know, all of these programs that are going on. You know, people are seeing through them and refusing to participate. So, you know Iceland, I think, ah, Iceland should get a Nobel prize for throwing out the banksters completely and starting up their own system.

M: And definitely not European Union.

J: Yeah. And, and, you know, Spain is right behind them. And, and there's so many dif...Iceland, all these different countries are, are saying, "Enough. We're not going to do this austerity program. We're not gonna live in slavery or lack. ah, so you guys can live fat on a hog. You know, we're gonna take our power back."
And, ah, I think that's happening all over the planet right now and eventually it's definitely gonna come to America. It's already here. It just needs a few matches to be thrown on.

M: Yes. I must say, that the Netherlands look very much like the United States. Ah, concerning the changes because it's changes started in less wealthy complex place. In Iceland, I mean, Iceland, it's really weird to see how many things the Netherlands have in common with the United States.

J: I think what's interesting is, you know, the United States, our whole country was founded on freedom. And, you know, where everybody's king in their own castle, you might say and, ahmm, you know, it's a republic, basically. But, you would think the one, the one that was supposed to be a beacon and a light to all the other countries, would be the one that was gonna step up, ah, you know, for individual freedom and prosperity for everybody. And, and, you know, and ah, working together for the highest good. And, you know, if you want, having those, you know, operating under universal law or the higher law. But, we're the last ones now which is very sad. We seem to be the last one to wake up and step up to the plate. But, ah

M: Yes.

J: Yeah. I think it's coming to a close here real quick. Because when America does wake up, the rest of the world's gonna go with it.

M: Yes, yes. But the Netherlands are in fact, they were also country where, ah, ah, freedom was proclaimed for women, ah, back in the beginning of the 20th centruy. Eh, All have to play a big part in freedom of many things and many laws. But, now, we are also, one of the last ones. And the Netherlands has many spiritual people. Many people are waking up in the Netherlands, but, I mean, the political system in the Netherlands and the United States, they are the last systems to admit changes that are happening.

J: Yeah, there's a, you know, basically, we have a corporate sponsored media. And, and a, their programs is to keep the status quo going un-interrupted. And people are realizing that. I mean, they, they've done surveys and it's in the 90% of the people that don't believe the media's telling the turth at all. So, you know, people are waking up to that. They're looking for alternative medias, you know. Such as shows like these. And other things to find out what's really going on. But, ah, (M: Yes)
You know, yeah. I think it's a, I think people are waking up and realizing that, ah, you're not gonna really hear the truth without spin on it. They're in the corporate media. It's gonna have to come through alternative means.

M: Yes, sure. You know, James, I think I heard it on your show, one half year ago, I think it was you who said that, um, um, when, when you look at western countries budget, what they spend on yearly, ah, many people would say, ah, it's on defense systems, on war. Ah, or, on taxes. Or, or medication or medicine. But, none of this is true. The money most spend in, in the United States and any western countries is to maintain the status quo. (J: ummmm) And very few people will notice.

J: Yeah, exactly. And, and, you know, when you do look at what, how it's been, and especially, ah, you know, that the fat cats, you might say, they're, that are holding political offices and positions of power, and, and, how the wealth is distributed in those directions, verses, you know, where it could be going. And if you just took the war industry itself, and, and those, and that money and reverse that, and turn that back to the people, you know, service. You know, everybody would have a beautiful home. We'd have beautiful cars. We'd have incredible health care programs. ah, We would be living in utopia. But, it's, it is, you know, there is a, a life through dependency and manufactured lack that's heavily entrenched in place. And, and that separation game, you know, that's going on, is going to fall. Because it doesn't align with unity consciousness. And, and that huge wave of energy coming through, is going to take out the tyrants. And, and take out the structures and their infrastructures that are no longer in service to humanity of the earth.

M: Yes indeed. And I'm waiting for that day to happen, you know? Ah, but it's close, I feel it's close.

J: Yeah, we're in it right now. I mean, it's being dismantled as we speak. And, and I've been watching that all around me. And, and, I'm just seeing this huge upsurge of all of these new technologies. And, ah, just amazing, ah, amazing things opening up. So, ah, you know, it's, I think, the healing technology, fuelless energy, all of these things are gonna come forward. Ah, be stopped and, ah, ah, and I just need some really brave souls out there on the fore front of this. And, and, I know it exists, cause, I've held it in my hands. I've seen these technologies. And oh, you know, there's, there's no reason why you can't, you know, feel your whole house and your car, and your vehicle and everything else on something you can hold in your hand. You know, that size. And it's totally fuelless. So, you know, that technology is here, today and it's time to get that out and start restoring the environment. And, I think, those two things, if we did that, would really turn the cycle here.

M: Yes, it will be so beautiful when we can all live in harmony and peace, clean energy, ah, traveling the stars, meeting our star brothers and sisters like when the earth is becoming a star nation and, (J: that's my vision..) I must, Yes, I must say to you James, ah, that my greatest desire and wish is for this reality to unfold.

J: I'm, I'm sorry. I missed that last part. What was that again?

M: Well, my greatest wish, ah, ah, and the greatest desire that I have, is for this reality of this new earth (J: Oh, yeah) to unfold.

J: Definitely. I think, I think almost all of us in our heart of hearts, desire this. ah, A lot of people don't, kinda given up and don't think it's possible.But, it's definitely possible and it IS coming. Ah, it's a, you can't deny it anymore. Ah, it's just how much resistance are we going to give it. And, ah, you know, it, I don't think, think it's optional. It, it's  coming. There's no way of stopping it. Ah, it's just that, who's going to be there depends on the choices we make and how much we resist these new energies.

M: Yes. James, may I ask you a question? ummm, We have six minutes left for the show, and I would like to give you the opportunity, ah, to share with the public, ah, anything important that you would like to convey to us. ah, that we can do or any advice. Or your vision. Just expression in words. I would like you to fill up, uh, the last five minutes.

J: Alright. You know that, um, you know, the main thing, the message they give me over and over, they tell us to release the past and to focus on healing as first priority. So, it's the two main messages. But, they're also talking a lot about major changes that are coming. Some, you know, on every level. Not just social, economic. There's earth changes as well. And that everybody needs to pay attention to where they live. You know, pay attention to where their water is coming from. Do they have access to fresh water? You know, what's in your water and make sure it's not full of toxins and fluoride and all these other things. And ah, you know, where your food's coming from. Ah, you know, to get really in touch with nature right now because she's on the move and she's gonna keep moving and change. And, you know, clean herself up. But, at the same time, we have to make our own spiritual connection as well with Source. And, ah, you know, one of the masters, Babaji always tells me, it's time to lovenly and joyously prepare. And not just on one level. On every level. And, and realize we're all eternal, you know, even if some do check out of this process that, you know, and won't be back. And, and ah, you know, everythings connected, you know. We have to just get away from that separation game and, you know, and don't grieve when people come and go. And ah, you know, realize that, that's all personal choice. And ah, you know, having my own near death experience, a couple of times, you know, I realize that there's awesome, awesome things awaiting us. And both, here on earth, you know, after the healing, and and, on the other side as well. So, there's really nothing to fear. And ah, and just, you know, change, change your program.

M: Yes, beautiful, beautiful. You know, I feel that if I listen to your words, then, I realize how beautiful it's gonna be for all of us.

J: Yeah. They, they been really giving us hope and saying, "Hey, it's worth sticking around for. You know, yeah, you know, you're gonna be haviung some challenges and things between now and then, but, you know, Can you imagine a whole planet living in harmony. You know, you know, connected to the greater family of man. Reuniting with the star nations and just technology beyond your wildest dreams and people just walking around, all blissed out. You know that's where we're headed. And, you know, it's gonna be worth going through the trials and tribulation, or whatever. You get to the other side, it's just going to be awesome.

M: Yes, James, it's going to be awesome. ahmmm, I want to thank you so much for being on the show. And, the hour past really quickly. We have covered a lot of subjects. In fact, and ummm, it's just ah, wonderful. And, ah, I hope that when I'm able, ah, I can visit you with some people on the ECETI RANCH.

J: That'd be great! We'd love to have you come on out.

M: Yes. Have you, have you ever had visitors from Holland before? Or from Europe?

J: Ah, we've had people from all over the world on a regular basis. There's always a pretty big mix of people coming to the ranch. And, ah, I don't, I can't think of anywhere we haven't had people from.

M: It's, that's amazing. Well James, I wish you all of the best at the ranch. And keep doing what you are doing. Ah, with Love, inspiration and LOVE. And, ah, I will stay honored and happy to have you on the show. And I hope we can stay in touch with each other.

J: Alright. Yeah. Let's be in touch and keep up the great work. And anything I can help you with your program, ah, just let me know.

M: Yeah, well, if you know some people that I could interview on my show, you're welcome to give me some names and contact details so that I can have somebody every week.

J: I'll do that.

M: Okay. Well, LOVE and blessings to you, James.

J: Alright. Bless you. Have a great day!

M: Have a great day, James. Bye, bye...